Sunbelle ....... you say that EP's clone is the one
as pictured by Michael at the top of this thread
and that it is different from the MT clone. I have noticed that the MT clone and I suspect EP's does, when immature and under certain conditions, look exactly like Michael's EP plant. At other (better) times MT's clone becomes so suffuse with spotting that the darker coloration becomes uniform ..... but not 'black' in any real sense but rather a dark dusky purple gray. Maybe you are saying that EP has two clones: the one in Michael's picture and another one that it truely 'black'. If so, are there any pictures posted anywhere of this 'black' clone?
EP's clone (f)purple black is the dark plant we grow, and its uppers look like the pitchers in Michael's pic at the head of this thread. The MT albomarginata- Kuching looks closer to EP's clone (b)green/purple, except the MT clone has purple red spotting. Geoff has had his clone (f) for many years, and I remember it in his old catalog way before MT was a twinkle in Chi'en Lee's eye. We have yet to find any commercial growers offering the pure black form of albomarginata, even though it could be found in some private collections. It is very rare.
I hate to just seem argumentative but I still have a problem here.
philcula ...... I don't have Ch'ien Lee's poster but in the small book by both Ch'ien Lee and Charles Clark "Pitcher Plants of Sarawak" there is a picture (pg. 24) of a dark albomarginata and I may be wrong but I assume it is similar to the one you are referring to. I see no difference between this and the MT, kuching clone. Also, it is not 'black' and the same text states that albomarginata "range in color from lime green to purple". Further, I still maintain that all of the dark albomarginata clones are only extreme forms of the 'spotted' albomarginata that are so completely covered in spots as to produce the illusion of a solid dark color. The MT clone which is exactly like the one pictured in the above mentioned book exhibits a more spotty appearance when young and sometimes in uppers. I do not know about EP's special clone that Sunbelle refers to but it too, I suspect, is probably the same. Color descriptions often cause much confusion and descriptions as 'black' seem to be the worst offenders (not just the 'black' albo but also such things as BE 'black' truncata). This may be the reason that color is rarely mentioned in the actual 'discription' of a species.
"The difficulty lies, not in the new ideas, but in escaping from the old ones ..." John Maynard Keynes
References to albomarginata in "Nepenthes of Sumarta" states that color ranges from green to purple. In "Nepenthes of Borneo", on the other hand, it does state that "some plants which grow on mountain ridges may produce black pitchers (in which case the leaves and stem may sometimes be black as well)" and there is a picture of the 'black' plant on page 63. I guess it is dark enough for me to accept the description as 'black' but I still suspect that it is an extreme example of the spotted variety.
An even better picture is to be found in "Pitcher Plants of Sabah" (pg. 8) and in this picture the pitcher really does look 'black' although I wonder about the lighting conditions.
I have attached a photo of the N.albo-marginata-(f), purple/black to save any speculation. It's a very nice plant and a large plant is a sight to behold among other Neps as it's purplish leaves and stem make it stand out from the crowd.
Prana, we haven't sold any of the squat rubra form as yet. It's proving a bit difficult to propagate.
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