Quogue...that's a very nice dyeriana. I love the peristome. You rarely see them with dark peristomes like that. Where did you get the cutting?
I recently found out that the plant I have is a hybrid made by Excotica using the same cross. I was told that still counts it as a dyeriana. I wish I could post updated pics but alas, I have no access to a computer that I can download and upload my pics. The newest pitcher is Big! The newest pitcher looks like the pic I posted earlier, but much bigger. Fat bodied with a red peristome, I look forward to seeing what the uppers turn out like...
quogue said" I was told that still counts it as a dyeriana"
Sorry, remakes shouldn't be confused with the Victorian hybrid. I wouldn't call your plant N. Dyeriana. N. Dyeriana is a cultivar (there is only one surviving plant out of the grex, it is male), even if your plant is the same parentage, if it doesn't look exactly like the true Dyeriana, it can not have the same name - and it could turn out to be a different gender, which would be very nice indeed. Do yo have the names of the parents from EP? Just curious which raff x veitch they might have used.
Dang! That totally sucks... unless of course this plant turns out to be female.. hmmmm.... Sorry don't know what parents were used, but I think Ima try an find out. Looks like I'll be trying to trade for a real Dyeriana when I can take cuttings from this guy in the not-so-distant future. Kinda of a bummer really... Guess I'll be calling it a "semi-dyeriana" from now on... Any knowledge of what other kinds of semi-dyeriana's are out there?
quogue, Call it (raff x veitchii) x Mixta. Cross your fingers it's a female! It is a fine plant regardless.
Michael, Are you going to grow one of your Dyeriana as a garden plant? It will probably get huge. Also, we have two different female clones of Rokko Exotica coming into bloom very soon. How is your Dyeriana pollen supply? I think it would make a good cross.
Post by Rainforest Carnivores on Jan 13, 2007 15:10:47 GMT 7
Sunbelle, The Rokko EP crossed with Dyeriana would be awesome. Perhaps a bigger Rokko type will result! My male should be in bloom starting Monday. I also have more N. thorelii x TM seedlings coming into bloom as well. Males. Are any of your Vikings coming into spike yet? I have three in spike-bloom, all males. what else!
R.C. said "My male should be in bloom starting Monday"
You've got them on a schedule or something? Just kidding, Michael, that's great. As you know, all N. Dyeriana are male, it's the only clone. Let's coordinate, this will be a great cross. We'll take pics of both females later.
Qougue brings up the question of whether dyeriana has been remade. Does anyone know for a fact that remakes are around? Dyeriana is an expensive and desirable hybrid, I think at least in part because of its place in Nepenthes history. If remakes exist, they need to be labeled as such (as Sunbelle points out) so we do not end up with a confusing mess.
An important point about N. Dyeriana. Tivey made the cross. True Dyeriana is described in 1908, but Tivey also describes previous plants of (Mixta x D-i-c-k-soniana), in 1900, Gardener's Chronicle has a description of N. 'Sir William Thistleton Dyer', in 1903 comes the description of N. Picturata, in 1904 we have Tivey's N. 'F. W. Moore', all described as the same cross, the same as Dyeriana, but BEFORE Dyeriana. Either these were repeat crosses using the same parents (not as likely) OR they are individual cultivars resulting from an initial cross(a grex), and as the seedlings grew up they acquired cultivar status. So far, we are yet to see a group of siblings called Dyeriana, like what exists with Mixta, so once again, the record seems to indicate these plants were all distinct individuals, and siblings of each other. This is why it's important to keep those Victorian hybrids intact. In fact, if this is the case, there is no hybrid name for (northiana x maxima) x (rafflesiana x veitchii). Another interesting point: was a female Mixta used in making Dyeriana and sibling cultivars, as most publications indicate? Thank you for tolerating my retentive behavior concerning Nepenthes hybrid heritage ;D
The pedigree is hard to trace. I was visiting a friend's rooftop collection last year, and when he saw me drooling over his gargantuan ten-year old dyeriana, he snipped off a sizable snippet and pushed it into my trembling, sweaty hands. Now, this gent is a serious nepaholic, but he can't be bothered to remember where each plant came from (unlike me, whose German genes require keeping neatfreakish spreadsheets). So there :-)
Cool, how did yer buddy's Dyeriana look? Did it have the red peristomes too? Maybe it's just a rebellious adolescent phase yer plants going through, like when teenagers dye their hair purple or sumethin... I'm lookin forward to how mine uppers.. if it has dyeriana-shaped pitchers with a red peristome, well that could be pretty cool!
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