I have found they are reluctant to pitcher when vining, unless they are able to grab onto something with the tendril. Lets see some upper pitcher pics ;>
Michael if you could also post your day/night temps that might help since this is a discussion of 'lowland' vs ... Some people have different ideas of just what lowland is. There can be little confusion when actual temperatures experienced are noted.
I have mentioned this before in other threads/forums but I guess it doesn't hurt to repeat: In my experience you can push highland plants in less than ideal highland conditions if they are well nurished. The plant is able to store as much energy as possible during the day to offset the extra energy lost during the too warm night. Just how much you can push it, would depend of course on actual temperatures, plant in question, other growing parameters etc. FOr example with my current setup which is highland during the winter (day 76/ night 56) and more intermediate during the Summer (day 85-88/night 58-68) N. villosa reaches about 3-4inches and that is about it. I have not been able to get them beyond that size.
Post by nepsaroundthehouse on Apr 9, 2006 21:21:42 GMT 7
I have one vining hamata in full sun. It hasn't produced any pitchers off the vine possibly due to the fact that it hasn't found anything to wrap a tendril around like Tony suggests. It has taken temps into the low 30's F and into the 90's during our Santa Ana dry winds. It has gotten beat up at times. I think it does better with the lower temps than the ultra high temps. In summer it gets full sun and the ambient temps may be in the 70's but leaf temperature has to be much higher and it appears to hang in there. Also it is putting out some new growth points from the woody stem. Seems like when my plants start hanging over the pots with no support for the tendrils, basals always appear. My other hamatas are partly under the shade cloth and are chugging along. Not particularly rapid growers. One has two growth points and may be starting to vine. The other is a small 3" guy.
I have never lost a highlander yet to overly warm temperatures but have lost lowlanders to exceedingly low temps. Will be interesting to see the effects of long term, intermediate-ish temps on strict highlanders like hamata, lowii, macrophylla, etc. in your environment Michael. Because if some highlanders can take warmer temps, they may be able to be grown as windowsill specimens that will allow hobbyists a wider range of species choices.
Post by nepsaroundthehouse on Apr 10, 2006 2:32:06 GMT 7
Do you grow your hamta and most of your plants in direct sunlight? Your leaves look nice and green. Mine definitely won't stay that dark of a green unless my plants receive some shade. I know Hawaiian sun is more intense than Californian sun so I wonder why your plants never seem to show any light yellow or scorch marks often associated with direct sun. I also wonder if that trait goes hand and hand with lower temperatures. My plants will get the typical red spotting due to increased light levels but my leaves will never be that dark green like your plants. What's your take on that?
It can vary a lot on the species. I find eymae very prolific, and maxima even more so. One of my maximas that is growing outside started to vine at the beginning of spring. By the end of summer it had grown 3 metres (10 feet). It is unfertilised and underwatered as it dries out way too often, its pot is hard to reach and is covered with basal leaves. But it grows like a weed. It is growing against a wall so is the beneficiary of the thermal radiation, and lives on nothing but the insects it catches. Maybe it thrives on neglect.
Post by nepsaroundthehouse on Apr 10, 2006 21:02:22 GMT 7
My eymae is about 4 to 5 feet and vining. It was from a rooted cutting and has never produced lowers. It now has grown out from under the shade cloth into full sun. I'm waiting for it to flower before making a cutting. I don't fertilize it because it catches ants and flies constantly. It has always been in sphagnum and stays fairly wet. Once my Neps get into the vining stage, they do take off. It's like a competition with the rest of the plants for location. I have a fusca and ramispina that are readily vining and climbing all over the other Neps wrapping tendrils around anything.
What I have found about growing outdoors is the plants become tougher and once adapted look just like the photos in the books. They really enjoy the light, air movement, and the bugs! Happy plants produce happy pitchers!
Currently we are cooler with days about 78-85 degrees and nights about 70-78 degrees. Summers are days 80-85 degrees and nights 78-80 plus or minus. If it rains the temperatures could drop to 75 degrees. I live in the warmer section of Honolulu, near Diamond Head area (just minutes from Waikiki). We do experience some cooler temperatures at times, but add about 5-10 degrees on what you read, again I am probably 50 feet elevation.
Anyone wanting to grow hamata in tropical lowland, using Mike Hawaii's temperature reading as a guide might work. I haven't try until i lay my hand on one
I got myself yet another hamata. There were 4-5 earlier ones which croaked soon after I got them. They were small plants to begin with...but I managed to keep one plant growing quite well for a month until I went overseas and left it in the care of my dad who overwatered it.
This plant is a medium-sized plant from BE. Please send all of your blessings my way. ;D
Post by agustinfranco on Jun 2, 2007 6:03:30 GMT 7
In general, when comparing hardened plants vs. ex-vitro plants growing requirements, the ex-vitro plants tend to be more demanding, and in the case of hamatas, far harder to keep them happy than most species IMO.
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