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Post by wanakorn on Nov 9, 2009 21:44:28 GMT 7
Trip Southern of Thailand
Songkhla Province.--> Phatthalung Province.--> Trang Province.--> Krabi Province.
1 st Site @ Songkhla Province
N.mirabilis
N.gracilis
N.gracilis
Natural Hybrids Mirabilis & Gracilis
In Habitat 
Drosera burmanii
2 nd Site @ Phatthalung Province
to be continue.... 
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Post by Dave Evans on Nov 10, 2009 15:39:26 GMT 7
Looks like the start of a nice trip  |
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Post by wanakorn on Nov 10, 2009 21:47:18 GMT 7
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Post by christerb on Nov 11, 2009 5:54:13 GMT 7
Nice red N. gracilis you have there, and it is always interesting to see thai amps. Looks quite wet in the last habitat photo. I am looking forward to see what plants the next location will reveal.
Regards,
Christer
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Post by junglemike on Nov 12, 2009 18:54:08 GMT 7
Nice trip!
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Post by wanakorn on Nov 12, 2009 21:05:51 GMT 7
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Post by wanakorn on Nov 12, 2009 21:10:47 GMT 7
bonus pic  |
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Post by eboat on Nov 12, 2009 22:08:28 GMT 7
Very nice sites, I hope those sites could survive from hands of wild collectors.
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Post by christerb on Nov 13, 2009 2:11:34 GMT 7
Some great looking pitchers!! I'm guessing that the pictured form is the one that goes under the name "Trang bizarre".
Regards,
Christer
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Post by Dave Evans on Nov 13, 2009 7:09:30 GMT 7
Is "Trang mirabilis" also sold as 'Viking'?
I think my "vikings" from Neo Farms, via Mitchell, might actually these Trang plants, or from somewhere else close by... But the most curious thing, Mitchell said he has never seen fimbriate leaf margins on the "vikings" he is raising from seed... Yet, they do have very 'Viking'-like pitchers... So odd; LOL.
I wonder if these two populations are actually related, or if it is a case of covergent evolution...? From these and other photos, it looks, to me anyway, that Trang mirabilis has been influenced by the addition of some 'Viking' genes.
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Post by wanakorn on Nov 13, 2009 9:02:57 GMT 7
Hi Dave ,
I think Mirabilis from trang is not viking but I think Hybrids viking & mirabilis ,
Next 2 month, I go to habitat Viking at Phathong Island I take photo it again
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Post by marcello catalano on Nov 13, 2009 22:28:26 GMT 7
Yes, the "Trang bizarre" is the viking from Trang, I spread the seeds with that name because Cheek classified the dry material of these plants as a "bizzarre variety of N. mirabilis".
As I said in another post, the Trang and Pangà plants are basically two forms of the same variety. The vegetative parts remain the same of the typical mirabilis, and the pitchers are different for some very peculiar characters of structure (I've grown the trang plants from seed, and they had cilia, sorry:)). These characters are the same in the plants from Pangà and Trang, but they show up more or less depending on the colony/area/specimen. In the colony that I found 5 km from Trang, the plants were highly variable (as you can see up here) and very often quite extreme but not often roundish. 15 km from Trang (Thung Khai) the plants were much closer to the normal mirabilis, but still different - in the above mentioned characters. In Pangà you find more often more globose pitchers but even plants like the above ones, globose and less globose. In Trang there's NO normal mirabilis around, so no hybrids (at least in the 3 colonies that I know about), while in Pangà you have both varieties sometimes growing together.
But please, as Dave also points out often, don't explain the confusing shape of the pitchers excusing that with a hybrid every time. To talk about hybrids, you must have an area that is covered by plants of two different species growing happy together. Hybrids are rare. A viking with a neck is a viking with a neck, a green viking that doesn't look good, is just an ugly viking, it's not a hybrid with mirabilis.
I know Neofarm had lots of plants from seeds and TC of the viking from Phangà . Today they might have the Trang form too. In Pangà they also collected seeds of "thorelii pangà " x mirabilis and probably viking-like plants that maybe were this hybrid or true vikings. The form of pangà is hardly distinguishable from the form of Trang, when you are in front of ONE plant. Be careful if you don't see cilia on young plants, that might also be because it's the hybrid "thorelii pangà " x mirabilis.
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