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Post by archer15 on Feb 16, 2012 19:45:35 GMT 7
I bought a Edwardsiana x Burbidge about a year ago now and it has been doing well. It started with large long leaves and small pictures. Now it has small leaves and large pictures is this normal?
In the last few weeks the leaves have been getting a bit browner than any of my other Nepenthes should I be worried? Will post some pictures on the weekend as its dark when I get home from work.
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Post by raiseitup01 on Feb 16, 2012 23:14:34 GMT 7
This probably means you are giving it an optimal amount of light, more light equals a more tougher compact plant with a larger pitcher to leaf ratio.
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Post by vraev on Feb 17, 2012 11:18:09 GMT 7
Be specific when you say brown...is it reddish? that is normal for this hybrid. I think thats a characteristic of burbidgeae which tends to make dark red leaves in my experience. (well...some clones do). But, brown is a different story...if it becomes brown...again from experience, it can mean freezing and tissue death. Since you aren't freaking out, I am assuming you mean it is becoming red and that is no problem. That means the plant is getting good light levels.
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Post by mitchelldavis76 on Feb 19, 2012 10:22:35 GMT 7
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Post by mass on Feb 19, 2012 10:40:38 GMT 7
I always thought it looked more like a burb x x TM to me..
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Post by dm84 on Feb 19, 2012 10:40:49 GMT 7
There's a great deal of variation that can occur even in primary hybrids. I don't know if you could conclude burbidgeae x (burbidgeae x edwardsiana) with any more certainty than a burbigeae x edwardsiana which tended more towards the mother plant.
Environmental selection in MT's nursery may have played a role in which particular close was chosen. In my experience, burbidgeae is a lot more tolerant of lowland/intermediate conditions than most highlanders. Since MT's nursery facilities at the time were in the lowlands (with one small aircon house for picky highlanders) perhaps the clone that they selected for vigor was the one that had a lot more genetic influence from the burbidgeae side. The rest of its siblings may have perished due to the higher temps before the MT staff realized that there were some seeds that weren't pure burbidgeae as they had originally assumed.
The situation I described seems to be the case with MT's platychila x hamata clone. From the parentage, it would seem that the cross would be a solid highlander yet I've talked to a few growers that commented how cold sensitive the MT clone seemed to be for them. Perhaps this might be because MT had the best growing results in their facilities with this more heat tolerant/cold sensitive clone.
Just some thoughts...
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Post by jgriffin on Feb 19, 2012 22:49:10 GMT 7
I thought it was from a legal collection of wc seed, as it was originally advertised as pure edwardsiana, until they grew out and it was realized as a hybrid.
Cheers,
Joe
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Post by boris on Feb 20, 2012 0:56:02 GMT 7
The thread title is already wrong. It is N. burbidgeae x edwardsiana and the seeds were collected as pure N. burbidgeae.
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Post by Dave Evans on Feb 20, 2012 1:33:34 GMT 7
Sorry to go off topic, but I still question the parentage of burbidgeae x edwardsiana (MT). I would have expected much more pronounced peristome ribs and teeth from an edwardsiana hybrid. For example, look at Xtrusmadiensis and hybrids with TM. ...maybe it is burbidgeae x (burbidgeae x edwardsiana)? What do you all think? Dear Michell, No, I think in that case it would look more like N. burbidgeae, which it clearly doesn't. N. lowii has much larger peristome ribs and teeth than N. b., also N. b. has a rather flattened peristome similar to N. platychila without teeth. |
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Post by mass on Feb 20, 2012 3:00:43 GMT 7
The thread title is already wrong. It is N. burbidgeae x edwardsiana and the seeds were collected as pure N. burbidgeae. That's the story I've heard as well. That's interesting dm.. My first burb x eddie HATED my highland conditions, and really didn't move an inch for over a year. Never pitchered, but did put out some new leaves once I moved it in with the intermediates. I've since traded it away, and brought in a new one. We'll see if this one acts the same way. |
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Post by mitchelldavis76 on Feb 20, 2012 9:00:46 GMT 7
DM,
Good point. It makes since considering the conditions.
Dave,
Another good point. Looking at hamata x platychila, the teeth were almost lost. I guess I was just expecting more out of an edwardsiana hybrid, that's all. Maybe the teeth will turn out to be a recessive trait that will show up in the new EP hybrids? ;D
Mitchell
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Post by archer15 on Feb 20, 2012 19:44:00 GMT 7
I finally had a chance to take some pics of my plant. I took the name from the tag so Sorry if im wrong.  Its summer here in Australia so it is not from cold weather. The leaves are a pale green with red spots/patches. Do they look ok?    |
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Post by boris on Feb 20, 2012 22:02:18 GMT 7
The plant you've got is N. xDyeriana = N. (northiana x maxima) x (rafflesiana x veitchii). Iirc it was also sold labeled as edwardsiana x burbidgeae (which is wrong) some years ago via ebay Australia.
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Post by kevnep on Feb 20, 2012 23:14:21 GMT 7
But a beautiful plant still
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Post by archer15 on Feb 20, 2012 23:49:42 GMT 7
 well thats crappy. Its from a larger company here guess they dont know what they selling  Anyways Its still my fav plant that I have. So does the leaves of my N. xDyeriana look ok 
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