Be specific when you say brown...is it reddish? that is normal for this hybrid. I think thats a characteristic of burbidgeae which tends to make dark red leaves in my experience. (well...some clones do). But, brown is a different story...if it becomes brown...again from experience, it can mean freezing and tissue death. Since you aren't freaking out, I am assuming you mean it is becoming red and that is no problem. That means the plant is getting good light levels.
Post by mitchelldavis76 on Feb 19, 2012 10:22:35 GMT 7
Sorry to go off topic, but I still question the parentage of burbidgeae x edwardsiana (MT). I would have expected much more pronounced peristome ribs and teeth from an edwardsiana hybrid. For example, look at Xtrusmadiensis and hybrids with TM. They all seem to have pronounced teeth where burbidgeae x edwardsiana does not. Just fine little teeth. And edwardsiana has larger peristome ribs and teeth than macrophylla. So since burbidgeae x edwardsiana was a natural hybrid that popped up in a batch of burbidgeae seed, maybe it is burbidgeae x (burbidgeae x edwardsiana)? What do you all think?
There's a great deal of variation that can occur even in primary hybrids. I don't know if you could conclude burbidgeae x (burbidgeae x edwardsiana) with any more certainty than a burbigeae x edwardsiana which tended more towards the mother plant.
Environmental selection in MT's nursery may have played a role in which particular close was chosen. In my experience, burbidgeae is a lot more tolerant of lowland/intermediate conditions than most highlanders. Since MT's nursery facilities at the time were in the lowlands (with one small aircon house for picky highlanders) perhaps the clone that they selected for vigor was the one that had a lot more genetic influence from the burbidgeae side. The rest of its siblings may have perished due to the higher temps before the MT staff realized that there were some seeds that weren't pure burbidgeae as they had originally assumed.
The situation I described seems to be the case with MT's platychila x hamata clone. From the parentage, it would seem that the cross would be a solid highlander yet I've talked to a few growers that commented how cold sensitive the MT clone seemed to be for them. Perhaps this might be because MT had the best growing results in their facilities with this more heat tolerant/cold sensitive clone.
Sorry to go off topic, but I still question the parentage of burbidgeae x edwardsiana (MT). I would have expected much more pronounced peristome ribs and teeth from an edwardsiana hybrid. For example, look at Xtrusmadiensis and hybrids with TM. ...maybe it is burbidgeae x (burbidgeae x edwardsiana)? What do you all think?
No, I think in that case it would look more like N. burbidgeae, which it clearly doesn't. N. lowii has much larger peristome ribs and teeth than N. b., also N. b. has a rather flattened peristome similar to N. platychila without teeth.
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The thread title is already wrong. It is N. burbidgeae x edwardsiana and the seeds were collected as pure N. burbidgeae.
That's the story I've heard as well.
That's interesting dm.. My first burb x eddie HATED my highland conditions, and really didn't move an inch for over a year. Never pitchered, but did put out some new leaves once I moved it in with the intermediates. I've since traded it away, and brought in a new one. We'll see if this one acts the same way.
Post by mitchelldavis76 on Feb 20, 2012 9:00:46 GMT 7
DM, Good point. It makes since considering the conditions.
N. lowii has much larger peristome ribs and teeth than N. b., also N. b. has a rather flattened peristome similar to N. platychila without teeth.
Another good point. Looking at hamata x platychila, the teeth were almost lost. I guess I was just expecting more out of an edwardsiana hybrid, that's all. Maybe the teeth will turn out to be a recessive trait that will show up in the new EP hybrids? ;D Mitchell