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Post by jayvee089 on Jul 25, 2011 0:12:39 GMT 7
Newbie here
i was going to buy coco peat but there where no stock at Sm ace hardware here in davao..instead i see a KOMPOST-BASED TRANSPLANTING MIX...its content is coco coir dust, soil and sand, plus a packet of folia tropica
is this good for VFT and nepenthe's?
i haven't order any plant yet but i am going to order soon..im just preparing my medium before i order
can i use cocohusk cube?
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Post by morbus on Jul 26, 2011 1:50:30 GMT 7
coir dust, soil and sand . . .
that doesnt sound like it will make a nep happy
seems like it will be way to "tight" - but you can judge that. if it looks like it will settle with no spaces in the media - its no good for Neps
i speak under correction - but i dont think neps and VFTs will be happy in the same soil
they just have different requirements -
some Neps may survive in a "tight" mix - but will do better in something looser
I'll hope VFT people can comment as well
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Post by auth100488 on Jul 26, 2011 9:22:24 GMT 7
coir dust, soil and sand . . . that doesnt sound like it will make a nep happy seems like it will be way to "tight" - but you can judge that. if it looks like it will settle with no spaces in the media - its no good for Neps i speak under correction - but i dont think neps and VFTs will be happy in the same soil they just have different requirements - some Neps may survive in a "tight" mix - but will do better in something looser I'll hope VFT people can comment as well +1 Tigh mix aren't good for nep, water needs to flow tru the elements, coco fiber + sphagnum moss is good, thats what i am using, its cheap but effective, you can try pure Orchids mix too! |
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Post by jm1017 on Jul 26, 2011 18:00:13 GMT 7
Yes coco chips would be good. Just make sure it has been prewashed/ soaked prior to use.
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Post by auth100488 on Jul 26, 2011 20:30:43 GMT 7
a trick for the coco fiber / orchid mix, is to put the mix in a zip lock bag and then add water until ther coco can't absorb anymore, leave that overnight or (4-5h) then its going to be way more ez to manipulate
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Post by jm1017 on Jul 26, 2011 22:56:49 GMT 7
Or another option would be to use clean, old stockings. place all coco chips in the stockings. soak in water (preferably rain water), and use a rock for weighing it down.
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Post by morbus on Jul 27, 2011 3:01:05 GMT 7
I use and LOVE coco husk chips (CHC). i just soak a block in water for about 10mins - breaking it up as it soaks up water. this gives me about 70L of CHC - and mix it with stuff or pot it straight
Jayvee
i dont know if i made it clear - apology if not
but Neps like and need a loose mix to do well. chc works well because it requires no additions mixing or additives and it hold water well and drains really well. just be careful not to let it dry as it will be really hard to properly wet it again - unless you dunk the pot in water
if you cant get hold of chc, use what you can and make sure it loose
some common ingredients that can be used to loosen up a mix is
chc
large pumice/perlite pieces
bark - large chucks. with bark you must remember that if you add too much peat, the peat will just fill the gaps created between the chunks and you will loose its effect - this is a common mistake in my opinion
foam chips - i recently started using 50% foam and its amazing!! just make sure it hasnt been treated with fungus or fire retardants or anything like that
there are probably many more
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Post by jayvee089 on Jul 30, 2011 8:04:57 GMT 7
i get confuse ...can i use 100% coco chips?
im planing to use 100% coco peat?.
what will be good for neph
especially N. Dyeriana
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Post by auth100488 on Jul 30, 2011 8:28:48 GMT 7
i get confuse ...can i use 100% coco chips? im planing to use 100% coco peat?. what will be good for neph especially N. Dyeriana as long as water/air flow true it, else your root will rot and the plant die! |
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Post by necroslasher on Jul 30, 2011 15:49:52 GMT 7
I recommend soil mixture that is composed of coco peat and some sand... If you are curious of the porosity( the particle diameter of the soil) just research it in google... the main principle here is that the greater the particle diameter, the more air and water will be readily available to the plants, since the capillary forces acting upon the soil is lower... the lower the particle diameter of the soil, the more the plant will suffer from the greater capillary forces on the soil.
PARTICLE DIAMETER
2cm to 0.2cm== sand(lowest capillarity, this is the recommended soil type for the carnivorous plant, coco peat belongs to this category)
0.3 to 0.02cm== silt
particles exceeding 0.002 cm== clay (highest capillarity)
I wish this information would be very useful to you ^_^
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Post by morbus on Jul 30, 2011 20:07:12 GMT 7
yes, chc can be used pure - 100%
im not sure if you are aware - but there is a very big difference between CHC and coco peat hey. Neps like 100% chc, Neps die in 100% coco peat . . .
please keep in mind though that to use 100% CHC, you must water it often to make sure the plant has access to all the water it needs.
necro
is the cocopeat and sand a soil for VFTs?
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Post by jayvee089 on Jul 31, 2011 0:16:05 GMT 7
Thank you so much guys..good thing there are many expert here
@sir mobus.. ill go for CHC 100%..because it is all available here for now..tnx sir..do you have any site that show how to repot a nep when it is deliver bare root?
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Post by morbus on Jul 31, 2011 5:15:59 GMT 7
pleasure dude!
im sure you will find sites if you google - and im sure you will find posts here on this forum as well
its very simple though - put some media in the pot up to the depth you want the plant to be. if you have to stake the plant - do so now. then spread the roots out over the chc and fill it up. if i find i put the plant too deep - i just lightly pull it up rather than redo everything.
again
you should do some reading on how to treat a new plant. but basically, you have to pamper it alot in the beginning - keep the humidity high and keep it out of strong sun.
people vary in their opinions, but i like to add some water into the pitchers when i get them - actually, i soak the whole plant when i get them then pot up - i find it helps . . .
good luck!
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Post by jm1017 on Jul 31, 2011 21:10:24 GMT 7
Neps like 100% chc, Neps die in 100% coco peat . . . I beg to disagree, I've tried potting my Rebecca Soper in pure cocopeat & it did not die. Its actually flourishing.  For Dyeriana, you can use cocopeat added with coco chips or other materials to make the mix a bit airy. Potting neps is just the same as potting any plant. It's potting, not rocket science! ;D If you have tried potting any plant before, ( or planting anything at all!) it would be same thing. |
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Post by jayvee089 on Jul 31, 2011 22:56:39 GMT 7
Tnx guys...tnx for the tips...ill just post a reply if i encounter some problems..thank you so much morbus, auth100488, necroslasher and jm1017.
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